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  1. 2 points
    have you spent time personally studying scripture on the subject and getting real with God in prayer over this to seek His will? because if you have, and you have peace about this, then that's the only "opinion" that counts. and if those you go to church with know you to be sincere in your walk with God, then that should be enough for them. once upon a time we had a cafe press store for this site. we had a couple of cute little items that said "if God is our judge, the get out of His seat!"
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    here's the thing, too. and i don't know if your mom is a woman who lives her faith or just gives it lip service, so i'm not criticizing her specifically. but in general, people who don't stand up for God's law when it comes to other issues don't have the right to use the Bible to point fingers. especially since their fingers don't know what the Bible says to begin with.
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    LOL those next verses aren't examples. they are the definitive list defining close kin. but unfortunately getting people to change their minds and believe that is easier said than done.
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    Guess it's been a while since I've logged on here.... I think this is a good idea; you do a lot of work to keep this site up and running
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    You will tire of the secrecy. Get it out in the open to your family if the two of you are serious about trying to make this work. There is a pinned article about talking to your family about your cousin relationship; read it and modify it for your own needs.
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    I feel Dr. Phil was very rude to this couple. I hope they are keeping strong, and anyone else Dr.phil discouraged.
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    Thanks KC. I'm sorry your marriage to your cousin didn't work out. Maybe he's loved me longer than I have him, at least in this way, but now that I've gotten to really know him as an adult, he's definitely won my heart. I just wish cousins could divorce as cousins, not in the way you're experiencing. Hindsight is 20/20, right? Anyway, I've done research into this site for a while now, and even though you're going through a difficult time nearing divorce, please know you've helped many by launching this site. I dont feel like I'm doing something immoral anymore, having reviewed all the research provided on this site as well as biblically, and I hope you know how much that means to me and, I'm sure, so many others. Thank you!!
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    As KC perfectly sums up Leviticus 18, it is about who you can and cannot marry. At first, when you read Leviticus 18:6, you will automatically think that you are not to approach any of kin for marriage. But when you read further, you realize that the bible specifies which kin you could not marry. Based from Leviticus 18, you cannot marry your father, mother, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, niece, nephew, daughter-in law, son-in law and so forth. However, when you scroll through the list, you then see that cousins are not on the list, meaning that God allows the marriage of cousins, explaining why many in the bible married their cousins. Now, let's say you are a Christian and meet a cousin and the two of you fall in love - what is next? You need to take a look at man's laws in regards to cousin marriage. As Romans 13:1 (NIV) states, 13 "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God." Every country has their laws for cousin marriages. For the U.S., many states have restrictions with 1st cousin marriages, but with 2nd cousin marriages and above, they are legal in all 50 states. Always check your state's laws and or consult an attorney when getting specific advice about marriage with your cousin. I am pretty sure for many, your family and relatives finding out about your relationship may cause major issues and rifts. However, if you, your cousin and your families are Christians, a marriage between you and your cousin should technically not be a problem. But realistically, because people are still tied to the ways and cultures of the world, most would look at cousin marriages as odd or even vile. But just remember, as Christians, our most important question is: What does God think about it? As Matthew 6:33 (NIV) states, 33 "But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well."
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    I will also quote the King James Version (KJV) as well: 6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the Lord. 7 The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 8 The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness. 9 The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover. 10 The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness. 11 The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 12 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman. 13 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman. 14 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt. 15 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 16 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness. 17 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness. 18 Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time. 19 Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness. 20 Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her. 21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord. I am in full agreement with KC 😀. Unlike the laws of man, God's laws remain the same and do not change. When in doubt, seek God first. Seek Him and read his Word. Only then will truth, knowledge and wisdom come to you. I hope this thread helps out other Christians that are having troubles or issues in regards to this topic.
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    Nobody thought of cousins as "close kin" in those days. The OT stories are full of people who married a cousin, and Jacob even married two -- Rachel and Leah. While these marriages were pre-Leviticus, the Jews were known to have a first-cousin marriage preference. So, the cousin part is certainly not any kind of problem, it was business as usual. God even instructed Jacob to go find a mate(s) from his father's side of the family. If we don't believe that God had foreknowledge of how smitten Jacob would be with his cousin, when we do not understand the God of the Bible. Nothing takes God by surprise. If we go back to the beginning, God is there. If we go to the end, God is already there waiting on us. He is omniscient and omnipresent and other big words that I am forgetting. He is not limited by mere physics because it was He who wrote E=MC2, not the other way around.
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    LOL well my fave is the gum on the shoe one. i HATE stepping in gum!!! the site looks nice, KC. really. and great prices!
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    Hi pooch... Im new here.
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    i think it's a wise choice, kc. i support it 100%
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    i have 2 daughters from a previous marriage. they were 11 and 12 when mark and i married, and they were pretty good with it. we went way, way public with our relationship.... not long after we got married we went on a talk show... the first of many media appearances discussing the topic. my girls kinda became little celebrities in our tiny town as a result. they got a little ribbing, but also discovered that a couple of their friends (who were siblings) were the biological children of cousins.... and that my oldest daughter's best friend at the time, whose father performed our wedding, was the granddaughter of first cousins. so really it was not a big negative in their lives. bullies move on when they don't get the desired reaction from their targets, and my girls didn't give the expected reaction. now, however, we tend to stay lower key. we're no longer out to change the world, and the girls (who are now in their 30s with kids of their own) are glad not to have to explain the facts of life to their peers. mark and i tell very few people these days, although every pastor of every church we've belonged to has been aware, and we always share the info with any friends we become close to. but no more media coverage, and we don't advertise it on social media either.
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    An 8 year old who has a fabulous relationship with the father - the ex is going to lose!!!! There are going to be lots of people feeling very jealous of your happiness and some of them may be relatives. LOL So please keep us aware of how things are going. HUGS Nat
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    Hubby and I, second cousins, are very happy. Married over15 years, retired for over 4, and having a great time traveling wherever we want in our RV! Life is good!
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    Oh wonderful. looks like another Tyra blind side hit piece. From here on out, if I see a producer in here asking for "volunteers", I am going to reply to NOT be looking for victims here, and that they will be smacked with the banhammer if they ignore me. I am beyond sick of good people being used in these hit pieces for ratings. I'll not be a party to it, and I'll not allow our members here to be further abused by these scallywags. If you are a producer, or from a production company, consider yourself warned........ the junk yard dog is back.....🐕
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    Right! People usually only use what is best suited for them (bible verses related). But if the bible is the "main reason" on - why you should not date your cousin - then there is really nothing to discuss, as it says absolutely nothing.
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    evongelo, you bring up some interesting points... and i'd like to put some of my own thoughts to each of your points. not sure this is the right time since i need to mow the lawn before it rains today since i'm going out of town for a week.... but i'll at least start. yes... but.... remember the pharisees and sadducees? i think many, many preachers and evangelists today are very similar to those religious leaders of the past. so while i hear what you're saying, it happened back then, too. a LOT. you're absolutely right though. a preacher (or anybody for that matter) is just human and their theological word should never be taken as truth by anyone else, just because they think the preacher is more knowledgable and has degrees and what-not. the best preachers will even tell you that straight up! they'll tell you that scripture says we must be as the bereans, studying the word of God to see if what is being preached is God's word or man's word. God makes His word accessible to anyone who seeks it. no pastor, theologian, evangelist, or blow-hard on a christian message board has any more of a direct line to God than the hooker on the street corner. a fancy education and elocution lessons don't make a person "right". anyone who seeks God's truth can find it. the Bible is His word revealed to us... some of it is confusing, of course, but that which is a mystery is JUST as big a mystery to the learned as to the unlearned. those are the issues that churches kinda get divided on, and why there is so much doctrinal debate. but the core gospel, what God wants us to understand here and now, is indisputable. that's not to say a lot of people won't TRY to dispute us. God says there will be a great falling away. the church will become apostate. this really isn't anything new, though. history is always repeating itself and we can see examples of this apostacy all through scripture. and we can certainly see it in today's "church". i use that term collectively. the church i attend is one that teaches line by line, verse by verse, chapter by chapter. i like that method of teaching a lot. but i'm not afraid to question my pastor if i think what he says is incorrect. that hasn't happened with my current pastor, but i've only been at this church for a few months. my last church though, i had many discussions with the pastor there on things i didn't think were right. the discussions were really great ones! and sometimes i'd have to concede that he was right. other times, he conceded he was wrong. but he was the kind of preacher that encouraged us to come to him if we thought he was in error. i will never go to a church where i feel i am not welcome to do that. i've seen people here say they couldn't get married because their pastor was un-budging on the subject. that's really sad. no pastor is above the word of God.
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