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  1. Whatever you think will work for the moving in thing. Good luck.
  2. My answer was in the post that you responded to. There are no simple solutions to a case like this.
  3. You wrote: "At a recent family reunion, I asked about the first wife and the coincidence in her having the same name as I do. This sent him off the rails , in a spitting nails fit of cruelty and rage, directed at me." I would be concerned about his reaction. I've known people who go nuts over a simple question. He may be a very abusive person, who does not communicate effectively. That should be your main concern. The rest of what you've written, just sounds like this is all your perspective, and none of it his perspective towards you. Going by what you've written, I would NOT pursue a relationship with him.
  4. The divorce may be influencing the children's reaction. If his wife is narcissistic, or not, she may be doing some parent-alienation and telling the kids how terrible the father is, and she might do that no matter who he was involved with. They may well disown the father until they want some money, and then they might try to guilt him to get it. I think the family dynamics here is a bigger force in this situation than the cousin-romance. The father might want to talk to a therapist about how to handle this situation. Certainly a cousin-romance makes the situation worse, but I have a sneaking suspicion that things wouldn't be too much different, if he was not with his cousin. Best of luck.
  5. The book of Leviticus in the Bible gives a detailed definition of incest, and cousin love is NOT there. It is legal to marry your cousin in Canada and parts of the U.S., and other parts of the world, so I imagine that places that allow it, know it's not incest. Read other cousin-marriage facts on this website to learn other things about cousin-marriage. And perhaps think about how you would feel if you broke off your engagement to your fiancee. Would you regret losing him for any reason, including the fact that you let people dissuade you because he was your cousin? Those people who say "incest" aren't going to help you find someone else you want to marry if you break up with your cousin. Critics can be good at criticizing, but they're not there to help you put your life together years down the road. Those people are usually gone by then. Live your life on your own terms. Be prepared to face the consequences of any of your actions, knowing that there are advantages and disadvantages to everything you do and choose. Best of luck Ambra
  6. GuestShoes12, Looks like the two of you will keep communicating until someone puts a stop to it. Perhaps tell him that he needs to commit to a relationship with you, or leave you alone. And you need to ask yourself why you keep communicating with him. Ambra
  7. Hang in there. We know the pain and problems of a cousin-romance. Me too. We couldn't tell anyone either. Life will get better.
  8. Been there, done that, now I'm old, and my cousin-love is dead. You've got your whole lives ahead of you, and you're too young for all the complications of cousin-love. Wait a few years, you'll be able to tell if she likes you eventually, or not. You could learn the cousin-marriage facts for your State and slip them into conversation when the time is right. Lots of info here, start reading
  9. The suggestion of a lawyer was to try and find out if cousin marriage would effect his job in the military. I'm in Canada, and in my province, one can phone a lawyer and the first half hour is free. Check to see if you have something like that in your State with your law society. If a lawyer could not answer your question about cousin marriage affecting his military job, perhaps the lawyer would know where you could get that answer. Ambra
  10. Perhaps wait for what others have to say, but I think you should find a lawyer who can answer both your questions. Perhaps a lawyer could answer your military question too. Good luck Ambra
  11. You're right KC, I just forgot. We are to love God first, and then others as ourselves.
  12. Miracles or Coincidence I've been reading parts of some threads here regarding whether or not to believe in God. I don't want to get too involved in those arguments, because I did that many years ago in other forums, and I found really, that if people don't want to believe in God, they will simply not do it. In the end, it's simply a matter of choice. I was raised a Christian and I am still and always a Christian. As an adult, I never went to any church regularly, because I don't like being told what to think or how to interpret the Bible. That's an unpopular position, I'm sure, but as I get older, I care less and less about what other people think. I also get that mind-set from being raised in a church that did not have a strong definitive dogma, and tended to take the Bible at face value. As I have lived my life I have come across churches that have interpretations of the Bible that I never learned about from my church, and they didn't interest me. I am quite sure that God is far more intelligent than any human being could imagine, and has answers for questions, we cannot even imagine. That's besides the questions we do have for God. So in my Christianity I stick to the basics, and I observe of the world that if the world came even close to doing the same, the world would be a much better place. The main core idea of Christianity is to love thy neighbor as thyself. That means with whatever actions you take or are about to take, you should be asking yourselves how it will effect those around you, and adjust accordingly. If most people in the world did just that on a regular basis, problems in the world would improve dramatically in short order. The longer I live the more I can see that God just wants to create a society, most likely in the Afterlife, where people constantly love and consider one another, because He knows that such a society would be co-operative and loving towards one another. I have read as I've glanced at threads that some explain miracles or answers to prayer as being coincidences. I've personally been blessed enough to have several miracles in my life and none of them were coincidences, they were outright miracles. I will discuss only ONE of the many miracles I've received here. In 1993 I developed a serious fear that the Gulf War would turn into the third world war. So one night I was praying the Lord's prayer, and not praying for anything specific, and as soon as I finished the prayer, an Angel stopped by quickly and said "you won't need this," and left. The thing he was referring to was the serious fear I had developed about the Gulf War turning into WWIII. As soon as he said those words, peace and calm came over me, and all my fearful thoughts about the war vanished. Even I did not really believe that this state of mind would last, and the next morning when I awoke, I was expecting all my fearful thoughts to return. But they never did return, and they never have returned. That was a miracle, there was nothing coincidental about it. And I don't care if you wanna debate whether it really was an Angel that stopped by. If an Angel ever stops by to give you a message or a miracle, you will know it. You sense a being unlike anything you've ever encountered on earth, and their gifts are permanent. If God ever gives you the "peace that surpasses all understanding" under any circumstances, you will know that too. It's like your mind shuts off a switch to your fearful thoughts, and you cannot get back to them. And peace and calm comes over you, and stays with you. And in my regular life, I have never accomplished that by myself or with the aid of any type of medication. The good news is, is that there are many people in this world who have miracles from God. In Canada, where I am, we have a TV show called "100 Huntley Street" and people who go on that show talk about miracles they have received constantly. That show has been on TV for over 40 years now. People receive cures of terrible diseases, rescues from terrible situations. They receive miracles, not coincidences. And often people know God is working directly in their lives when they are receiving these miracles. One of my favorite stories is of an ex-hell's angel who was shot 5 times in his chest for leaving the hell's angels. Not only did he survive, but he left the hospital the day after he was shot, he recovered so quickly. That was a miracle, not a coincidence. Another one of my favorite stories was that of a serious alcoholic who repented to Christ with such sincerity that the urge to drink anymore alcohol was completely removed from him, never to bother him again! Miracles like this and more, happen all the time. God is still very much alive, and still doing miracles all the time, just like He did in the Bible days. The big question for anyone choosing to follow God and Christ or not, is (and no one ever wants to admit this), is do I want to be selfish and just live for myself, or do I want to follow God and think about what God and Jesus would do in the situations that would come up in my life, and this always includes thinking about how one's actions effect those around him. God does not save us from pain, because He gave us free will, and that means we have the free will to cause a lot of damage. God knows that the only way He will get his society of "love your neighbor as you love yourself" is if people choose to love one another willingly, not by any kind of force. God is just in all of His judgements because He knows our hearts, and He knows all the angles to all of our situations. He does not pick favorites, He simply doles out his just justice. But I'm sure those of you who do not want to believe will come up with some counter-arguments, but I'm not interested, so don't bother. Just remember it's a choice in the end. To find out why you don't make the choice to believe, examine your soul and ask yourself the tough questions and proceed from there. Ambra
  13. I thought I?d write about talking to our families about one?s cousin romance. Dealing with our families is the thing that makes cousin-romance difficult. In the six years that I?ve been on this board I?ve read many stories about it. It is definitely a frequent topic here. Please note, never substitute the judgement of your advice giver for your own. You know your family members better than I or anyone else ever possibly could. Therefore you must do what your instincts tell you are the best way to approach your family members about the difficult subject of cousin-romance. Trust your judgement and try to make your approach to this subject with your family members one that you think they will respond well to based on what you know about them. Difficult Families Different families respond differently to the subject of cousin-romance, and this seems partially due to one?s culture. Some families go to extraordinary lengths to keep a cousin couple apart. I remember one story on here where the parents of an Asian woman of about 26 actually threatened to go to her landlord and her employer so that the girl would loose her apartment and her job if she continued seeing her cousin. The woman and her family lived in the U.S., but her parents came from an Asian background that rationalized their behavior towards their daughter. And I?ve also read of wives who leave their husband?s for their cousin, only to be threatened with a custody battle because they are involved with their cousin. It seems that cousin-romance can really bring out the nastiest things in people. It?s where all the dysfunction of the family will reveal itself to its fullest extent. Explaining your Cousin-romance to Family Members Through Letters Once Romance Becomes Serious There is something you can do to stop this from happening, or at least slow down the damage. I usually recommend writing the parents and/or other family members a letter telling them about the romance and addressing the concerns you can anticipate from them, or that you know for sure will be an issue for them. I am assuming here that your family members do not know of your cousin-romance yet. In my opinion, there is no point in writing such a letter until or unless the romance becomes serious. And that?s because every couple, even a cousin-romance couple, needs time to themselves to explore their relationship in private. Once you let the family in on your relationship, their presence and/or intrusion will always be there, whether physically or in spirit. LadyC?s Letter Explaining Romance to Mother or Other Relatives This link, http://www.cousincouples.com/forum/shoot-the-breeze/how-to-tell-your-mom/, is for a letter that LadyC wrote on how to tell your mother or other family members about your cousin-romance. I think it is very well written, and of course, you can edit the letter to suit your specific needs. A letter gives the reader a chance to respond in private so that their first angry knee-jerk response is not something you might receive the full brunt of. It also gives them a chance to think about and ponder all that you?ve said in your letter. No Angry Letters to Family Members Do not write angry letters to your family members because that letter is in writing and can really make a strong negative impression. If you are trying to convince someone that they should agree with you, then you should empathize with their position as much as possible in the letter and then gently put your points across to them. The tone of the letter is important and may go a long way to convincing them to agree with you if done correctly. Teenage Cousins in a Romance & Their Families Now this advice can be different for teenagers, and we get a lot of teenagers with romantic feelings for their cousins on this board. Because teenagers usually still live with their parents it can be quite difficult to keep one?s feelings for your cousin away from them for any period of time. So if the parents just make it too difficult for you to see your cousin, perhaps you and your cousin should just cool it until you?re of legal age and perhaps on your own. The thing to remember is that while you live under your parent?s roof they can make things very difficult for you. And since they are supporting you and you are a minor, there isn?t much that can really be done about that. The other thing is that if the romantic feelings you share with your cousin are something really profound or important, they will keep until you are older. Many teenage cousin romances seem to happen because the cousins new each other as children, and often the cousins always felt that attraction and the attraction blooms in the teenage years. That?s what happened in my story. I met my cousin-love when I was 7 and we saw each other for summers every year until I was 17 when our cousin romance happened. All those years we felt a strong attraction for one another, we just never expressed it until our teenage romance. A teenager could write a letter suitable for their circumstances as I?m discussing here. But in the end, you may not have a lot of power in your home because you?re under age. Keeping in touch with your cousin, but not seeing each other often may be the best course of action until you?re of legal age and/or do not live at home. More on Letters to Family Members & Resources on Board Going back to the letter, you can also include other cousin-marriage facts in the letter. Like for example, if you feel that your parents will be against the marriage for religious reasons you could tell them that those verses in Leviticus 18 are not speaking against cousin-marriage. The section on the left side of the Home page called ?Marriage Facts? has many useful marriage facts that you could include in your letter including information about the risk of birth defects of children from married cousins. The section on the left side of the Home page called ?Christianity? discusses the Bible and cousin-marriage via scripture and cousin-marriages that happened in the Bible. Any of this information could also be put into your letter to your parents and/or other family members. The ?World Religions? area on the left side of the Home page discusses how different world religions see cousin-marriages. This may provide more food for thought on how one?s family may react to the idea of cousin-marriages, especially in the cultures that typically have those religions. The area on the left side of the Home page called ?State Laws? tells you which U.S. states allow marriages and which do not. Any of this stuff could be put into your letter as it applies to your specific situation in order to support your case for cousin-marriage if that is where your relationship is headed. The area on the left side of the Home page called ?International Laws? addresses laws from some other countries as it relates to whether or not cousins can marry. Perhaps your family members value celebrities or famous people, in which case on the left side of the Home page there is a section called ?Famous Couples? giving names of some famous people that married their cousins. The thing is the better you write your argument for cousin-marriage, the less your family may protest. I think writing a letter is a good way to go as your first presentation into the subject of your serious cousin-romance. If They Already Know of the Cousin-romance, A Letter May Help Anyways If your family members have found out through various means about your cousin-romance before you have written them a letter, you could still use a letter to write an empathizing argument that still drives your important arguments/points for cousin-marriage home to support your position. Write letters as needed, is what I?m saying. Telling Families & Family Dysfunction Beyond that, the thing to remember is cousin-romance is a subject where family dysfunctionality may rule. It may show you just how big of control freaks your parents and other family members really are. Many a time on this board I?ve read stories where parents make it clear that they don?t like that cousin romance and they are not going to listen to any reason as to why it should exist! More than once I have read stories of a mother who could not, or would not stop crying at the thought of her child?s cousin-romance. When your parents do that they are simply having a temper tantrum because they cannot have their own way. In such a scenario the universe is challenging your parents to grow up and accept that they cannot control their children all of their lives. And that does become the challenge to the parents, and it can be a painful and difficult challenge to overcome. I remember when my cousin-love?s father tried to prevent me from contacting his son, I thought is there a tag on the back of my cousin?s shirt that says ?L is property of his father?? At the time both my cousin-love and I were of legal age, so I thought his dad was being pretty arrogant in trying to stop me from contacting him. After my mother found out about my cousin-romance she would try to discourage me by telling me negative things about my cousin. These negative things were quite minor and all I could think as I sat and listened to this crap was ?mom if you only knew how I felt about him.? But I knew my mom was to ?icked? out to care. Back all those years ago in the early 1980s, there was no cousincouples.com to give me the idea to write a letter. Thankfully none of my relatives went on and on with their protests. Actually they were quite discreet with their protests, especially compared to some of the stories I?ve read on here. In my case, my dad split us up four months after our romance started, as soon as he discovered it when I was 17 in 1977. I don?t believe that neither I or my cousin-love were in a place where we wanted to function as a couple while constantly having to be concerned about what our parents and family members thought, or might do about it. For those four months we enjoyed being with each other without having to contemplate the family fall-out that could occur and we were not ready to give that position up yet. Seven years after my dad split us up my cousin died of colon cancer in 1984, but not before he called me to his sick bed letting me know that he still cared for me. What?s difficult for me to watch as an outsider to these situations, is that the children may respond to such manipulating tactics because they were raised in that family system, and if that family system is dysfunctional, the child is not going to automatically rise above the way things have always been done in that family. The child is often going to try and respond the way they always have in that family. But the thing is, the parents are going to try harder now than ever to manipulate or scare their children into doing what the parents want, because the parents said so, basically. The Importance of Choosing the Right Spouse The thing to remember is that your parents and other family members will die eventually. And you have to ask yourselves what spouse do you want around when that happens? We also get many people on this board who split up with their cousin-love and marry someone else, and then 10 or 20 or 30 years later, find themselves pining for that long lost cousin-love. Under such circumstances it becomes clear that whether or not to marry your cousin becomes an important question. Think About How Much You are Going to Let Your Family Run Your Life I realize that in some families, one?s parents can live to a ripe old age. You might be 45 years old and still have your parents alive. In my case though, I am 50 now and my mother died when I was 43 and my dad died when I was 18. Most of my family members are dead, the good ones anyway. The only family members I have left are the annoying pains in the butts. So when I look back at my family and all that?s gone on, I know that if I?d have known then what I know now about life and human nature and relationships, that I would not have taken some of the things that some of my family members did to me in various scenarios nearly as seriously as I did back then. Family members can be good at telling you how to live your life, but they are not the ones that have to live with the consequences of your choices, you are! While a family member may feel very uncomfortable that you are with your cousin, those people do not have to live your life and deal with the pain and sadness that may fill your life if you dump your cousin-love and marry someone else. And if your parents and/or other family members truly cared for you and your feelings, they would care about whether you were happy in your romance or marriage. They would not just care about their own discomfort level. Everyone Wants to Marry the Person They?re Happiest With, Including Your Parents I?ve told people on this board before that they should ask their parents in their letter how they would feel if anyone had ever told them to dump the love of their life because it made their parents or other people uncomfortable. And in fact, you could come back to them with that in an argument. You could tell them as soon as they divorce the man or woman they love, that you?ll do the same. And if they come back with ?that?s different?, well you could point out that no it?s not. Everyone wants to be with the love of their life that makes them the happiest. The letter that I mentioned above that LadyC posted on the board describes very well how a happy romance can make a person feel. This is whether it?s a cousin-romance, or not. Those words make my point that we all want to be with the person we love the most. And since there are no real reasons why a cousin couple should not marry, then that just means your parents need to work on getting over their prejudice. The fact that it just makes them feel icky or uncomfortable is not a good enough reason for them to control your life and forbid the relationship for you. Another Use for Letters to Family Members In summary, dealing with family members is probably the biggest difficulty there is when it comes to cousin romances. Some of the married cousin couples on here have mentioned that eventually the family settles down and gets over it. If they do not, perhaps you could write a valued family member another letter every once in a while stating the important things that you?d like them to consider because they are shutting you out of their lives. Again, a letter gives them a chance to think about what you?ve said, and you could even point out in the letter that you are writing the letter so that they have something in writing that they can think about and ponder before responding or going on with their lives. And you could include any of the information previously pointed out in this post. Your own Judgement in These Matters is What You Should Follow Again, please remember never substitute the judgement of your advice giver for your own. You know your family members better than I or anyone else ever possibly could. Therefore you must do what your instincts tell you are the best way to approach your family members about the difficult subject of cousin-romance. Trust your judgement and try to make your approach to this subject with your family members one that you think they will respond well to based on what you know about them. Write letters as needed, and always try to start out empathizing with the person you?re writing to. Showing a little understanding for the other person?s position can go a long way in smoothing over ruffled feathers.
  14. LOL... watch out for those Canons :wink: :laughter:
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