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GOOD DAY EVERYONE!
 

Kamusta po kayong lahat? Some of us couples became successful, and some are still waiting.

As you can see on the news right now, our President Duterte said he accept same sex marriage, now he insists marriage equality here at Ph. Wala akong comment about LGBTs, pero there might be a chance na eto na ang upbringing naten. Some of us may mga anak na, syempre lahat naman sa atin gusto magkaroon ng legal basis sa pamumuhay, how about we voice out our concerns? Makita nila na marami tayo? How come that they can accept same-sex marriage while cousin marriage is not? Family code is about to change, the law is about to change. Kailangan nating kumilos, para makita nila ang hinaing natin. Im sure, sa buong pilipinas maraming kaperaho natin, humihingi din ng tulong, natatakot lamang. Actually i have to migrate sa ibang bansa para lang maayos na pamumuhay namin. Pero alam ko this year God will do something. may hinanda na siya, kaya inaanyayahan ko ngayon mga ka cc makapag usap tayo ng mga ideas natin sa thread na ito. We need corporate prayers to make this happen!

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Hi Kielan,

First of all, I really like the good thread that you opened! I will respond muna through housekeeping matters para on-point ang maging thread natin. I can see na Tagalog (Filipino) ang ginamit mong medium. This might dissuade people who cannot speak the language like us. It's up to you though kung strict english or tag-lish okay lang. Anyhow, another point na gusto kong banggitin is since ikaw ang nagopen ng thread, do you want the thread to be more "politically-inclined"? Or depende sa flow ng conversation na lang? Sabi mo kasi,

8 hours ago, kielan said:

pero there might be a chance na eto na ang upbringing naten. Some of us may mga anak na, syempre lahat naman sa atin gusto magkaroon ng legal basis sa pamumuhay, how about we voice out our concerns? Makita nila na marami tayo? How come that they can accept same-sex marriage while cousin marriage is not? Family code is about to change, the law is about to change

Also, I am happy na you come from the Christian perspective. Sige po, usap po tayo dito sa thread and makapagbrainstorm. :) I will respond in more detail sa susunod.

 

Pooch

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Maybe we can start by talking about the Family Code of the Philippines and  how it affects the law and politics. Magandang mag-umpisa doon eh, tama? Uumpisahan ko sa pagpost ng part ng Family Code na may kinalaman sa Cousin Marriages. Under the section (chapter) Void and Voidable Marriages:

Source: www.kapitbisig.com/philippines/the-family-code-of-the-philippines-chapter-3-void-and-voidable-marriages-the-family-code-of-the-philippines_961.html

 
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Article 38

The following marriages shall be void from the beginning for reasons of public policy:

  1. Between collateral blood relatives whether legitimate or illegitimate, up to the fourth civil degree;
  2. Between step-parents and step-children;
  3. Between parents-in-law and children-in-law;
  4. Between the adopting parent and the adopted child;
  5. Between the surviving spouse of the adopting parent and the adopted child;
  6. Between the surviving spouse of the adopted child and the adopter;
  7. Between an adopted child and a legitimate child of the adopter;
  8. Between adopted children of the same adopter; and
  9. Between parties where one, with the intention to marry the other, killed that other person's spouse, or his or her own spouse.  (82)

 

Ito ang issue at hand, tama po, ano?

 

Pooch

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20 hours ago, pooch said:

I can see na Tagalog (Filipino) ang ginamit mong medium. This might dissuade people who cannot speak the language like us. It's up to you though kung strict english or tag-lish okay lang. Anyhow, another point na gusto kong banggitin is since ikaw ang nagopen ng thread, do you want the thread to be more "politically-inclined"? Or depende sa flow ng conversation na lang?

Good day pooch! 

I'm sorry man, we have to use english pala, if we cant seek help to fellow filipinos, other cc friends might help us

If only we have someone who has connections with a congressman. Though first thing to do is to have solid group, and let the government recognize us.

Here's what i'm thinking for now

Act as Lobbyist, so that we can influence politicians *Pricey*

Protest once same sex marriage bill became a law
i don't have any against LGBT's, but giving right for them to marry same sex, is something we can't just swallow. It's not that we're jealous, it's because we believe that we have the utmost right to get married in reference to Law of God and how other countries accept first cousin marriage. 

WE WANT CIVIL UNION

Pres. Duterte said he doesn't want oppression, or he can change the law whatever the predilection on human being in regards of marriage.
Now if they keep insisting that same sex marriage is for marriage equality. then what is equality if they left out people like us?

Sure, it's because of genetic issues or inbreeding, tho it's too much exaggerated, there are facts on the internet, scientists have already proven that it's only low risk.
Speaking in reality, the gov't will accept civil union between first cousins if only one or both of the couples are sterile. Although they can be advise to undergo genetic counselling and proceed to marriage. 

Stay positive, it's GOD's APPOINTED TIME for us.

We need bright minds to share their ideas, little conversation creates miracle! ;)

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Maybe we can start by talking about the Family Code of the Philippines and  how it affects the law and politics. Magandang mag-umpisa doon eh, tama? Uumpisahan ko sa pagpost ng part ng Family Code na may kinalaman sa Cousin Marriages. Under the section (chapter) Void and Voidable Marriages:

Source: Family code of the Philippines, chapter 3, Voidable Marriages

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Article 38

The following marriages shall be void from the beginning for reasons of public policy:

  1. Between collateral blood relatives whether legitimate or illegitimate, up to the fourth civil degree;
  2. Between step-parents and step-children;
  3. Between parents-in-law and children-in-law;
  4. Between the adopting parent and the adopted child;
  5. Between the surviving spouse of the adopting parent and the adopted child;
  6. Between the surviving spouse of the adopted child and the adopter;
  7. Between an adopted child and a legitimate child of the adopter;
  8. Between adopted children of the same adopter; and
  9. Between parties where one, with the intention to marry the other, killed that other person's spouse, or his or her own spouse.  (82)

 

Ito ang issue at hand, tama po, ano?

 

Pooch

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9 hours ago, kielan said:

Good day pooch! 

I'm sorry man, we have to use english pala, if we cant seek help to fellow filipinos, other cc friends might help us

If only we have someone who has connections with a congressman. Though first thing to do is to have solid group, and let the government recognize us.

Here's what i'm thinking for now

Act as Lobbyist, so that we can influence politicians *Pricey*

Protest once same sex marriage bill became a law
i don't have any against LGBT's, but giving right for them to marry same sex, is something we can't just swallow. It's not that we're jealous, it's because we believe that we have the utmost right to get married in reference to Law of God and how other countries accept first cousin marriage. 

WE WANT CIVIL UNION

Pres. Duterte said he doesn't want oppression, or he can change the law whatever the predilection on human being in regards of marriage.
Now if they keep insisting that same sex marriage is for marriage equality. then what is equality if they left out people like us?

Sure, it's because of genetic issues or inbreeding, tho it's too much exaggerated, there are facts on the internet, scientists have already proven that it's only low risk.
Speaking in reality, the gov't will accept civil union between first cousins if only one or both of the couples are sterile. Although they can be advise to undergo genetic counselling and proceed to marriage. 

Stay positive, it's GOD's APPOINTED TIME for us.

We need bright minds to share their ideas, little conversation creates miracle! ;)

One at a time Kielan... :D

You have so many ideas right away. Let's take it piece-by-piece. We will figure out the details (ie. the acting as lobbyist or the group or anything along those lines) later. I believe that we need to establish our identity first. So let me respond,

You said,

9 hours ago, kielan said:

Protest once same sex marriage bill became a law

For the sake of the readers of this thread, what is the process that you are thinking of when the bill becomes a law? Has a bill been passed on already? If so, what are the details of the bill? And what does the bill say? How long does the bill become law? Matagal na proseso kasi yan eh and hindi naman yan basta-basta (This process is long if we want to make it legal). But of course we are willing to give it a try, as long as it takes, so that it will be legislated. 

If somebody is a political science student, kindly fill it in since I have no idea on the process. All I know that a bill becomes a law, but the debates that will take place for it to happen, all the steps needed for it to be passed, I leave it to the experts.

Also, when same-sex marriage bill is passed, it attacks the family code of the Philippines. I mean, do we really want to do that?? I am skeptical about opposing the family code of the Philippines as it is the fabric of society. The family code of the Philippines is like the Constitution 1987 of the country -- hindi madaling tanggalin yun unless cha-cha. And so for me, personally, as much as possible, I don't want to attack the family code of the Philippines. A revision or an update might help though -- but not to attack it altogether. I am in favor of reform -- not a complete overhaul. What same-sex marriage does is a complete overhaul and I feel that I cannot be a part of their agenda if that's what they are doing... In other words,  maraming sasagasaan eh. :(

I will reply to the CIVIL UNION heading sa susunod....

 

Pooch

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17 hours ago, pooch said:

For the sake of the readers of this thread, what is the process that you are thinking of when the bill becomes a law? Has a bill been passed on already? If so, what are the details of the bill? And what does the bill say? How long does the bill become law? Matagal na proseso kasi yan eh and hindi naman yan basta-basta (This process is long if we want to make it legal). But of course we are willing to give it a try, as long as it takes, so that it will be legislated. 

Basing on how things were acting here at our country, the bill is actually feasible.
Eto na nga ata ang pinaka matinding banat sa family code ng bansa natin e. Hahaha

17 hours ago, pooch said:

Also, when same-sex marriage bill is passed, it attacks the family code of the Philippines. I mean, do we really want to do that?? I am skeptical about opposing the family code of the Philippines as it is the fabric of society. The family code of the Philippines is like the Constitution 1987 of the country -- hindi madaling tanggalin yun unless cha-cha. And so for me, personally, as much as possible, I don't want to attack the family code of the Philippines. A revision or an update might help though -- but not to attack it altogether. I am in favor of reform -- not a complete overhaul. What same-sex marriage does is a complete overhaul and I feel that I cannot be a part of their agenda if that's what they are doing... In other words,  maraming sasagasaan eh. :(

Don't get me wrong my friend, i don't support same sex marriage. Nung narinig ko nga iyon, nagpantig ang tenga ko e. it's just that, something crossed my mind, if they allow this, we can freely rise up and seek acceptance. Frankly speaking, compare same sex to first cousin marriage. The catholic church is against on both (ayon sa canon law nila), the society keeps on qouting the Bible that same sex marriage is a no-no. Kaya nasa magandang timing na tayo, masasabi pa kaya nila na bawal ang magkasintahang mag pinsan? Alam naman natin na sa Bible hindi pinagbabawal. The problem is how, how to make them recognize us?


Charter change is actually on the way too, our president is planning to transit the government to federalism type one, syempre kinagalak to ng karamihan, this will be implemented before his term ends, as said by his cabinets. Ang pinagtataka ko lang, why bother changing the law now? (Sa same sex marriage na tayo napunta haha)

Anyway, sa status ng bansa ngayon, federalism lang ang solusyon. 
At bawat estado dito sa pilipinas ay may sariling batas, some may accept cousin marriage, some may not. Pero okay na yon, atleast nasa Pilipinas parin


Matanong ko lang, nasa ibang bansa ka ngayon pooch?
 

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43 minutes ago, kielan said:

Basing on how things were acting here at our country, the bill is actually feasible.
Eto na nga ata ang pinaka matinding banat sa family code ng bansa natin e. Hahaha

Don't get me wrong my friend, i don't support same sex marriage. Nung narinig ko nga iyon, nagpantig ang tenga ko e. it's just that, something crossed my mind, if they allow this, we can freely rise up and seek acceptance. Frankly speaking, compare same sex to first cousin marriage. The catholic church is against on both (ayon sa canon law nila), the society keeps on qouting the Bible that same sex marriage is a no-no. Kaya nasa magandang timing na tayo, masasabi pa kaya nila na bawal ang magkasintahang mag pinsan? Alam naman natin na sa Bible hindi pinagbabawal. The problem is how, how to make them recognize us?


Charter change is actually on the way too, our president is planning to transit the government to federalism type one, syempre kinagalak to ng karamihan, this will be implemented before his term ends, as said by his cabinets. Ang pinagtataka ko lang, why bother changing the law now? (Sa same sex marriage na tayo napunta haha)

Anyway, sa status ng bansa ngayon, federalism lang ang solusyon. 
At bawat estado dito sa pilipinas ay may sariling batas, some may accept cousin marriage, some may not. Pero okay na yon, atleast nasa Pilipinas parin


Matanong ko lang, nasa ibang bansa ka ngayon pooch?
 

Nasa Canada ako ngayon pare. I have been here since 2003, hindi pa nakakauwi sa atin. Maraming priorities eh. Lots of reasons. Pero kami na ng cousin ko kahit bago pa lang nagmigrate ang family ko dito sa Canada. We were so young back then. lol. Pero kami pa rin. Both of us are here now in Canada.

But then I really feel for the ones na nasa ganitong relationships na nasa Pinas. Alam mo yun? Naranasan ko rin kasi eh. Mahirap kaya. Then LDR. Then the social stigma. The legal barriers. Whole nine yards. So alam mo yun, I'm quite active here in this forum. hehe. :)

 

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50 minutes ago, kielan said:

Basing on how things were acting here at our country, the bill is actually feasible.
Eto na nga ata ang pinaka matinding banat sa family code ng bansa natin e. Hahaha

Who will propose the bill if ever? Or puro mainit na hangin lang ito? Yes it may be feasible pero sus di ako masyadong kumbinsido sa attack sa family code eh. Wala akong nakikitang progress doon kahit pa isulong nila ang same-sex. I am kind of pessimistic about it. Ikaw? Anong tingin mo? Say for example a bill is passed. Syempre babasahin yan para pagdebatehan, diba? Dadaan sa legal na proseso yan bago maging talagang batas. If halimbawa same-sex will go through, cousin marriages advocates eh pwedeng makisakay. Maraming makikisakay and it will ruin the marriage institution itself kasi magiging slippery slope. Bad idea. But I think it can get done kung makakalusot ba eh. hehe.

56 minutes ago, kielan said:

Frankly speaking, compare same sex to first cousin marriage. The catholic church is against on both (ayon sa canon law nila), the society keeps on qouting the Bible that same sex marriage is a no-no. Kaya nasa magandang timing na tayo, masasabi pa kaya nila na bawal ang magkasintahang mag pinsan? Alam naman natin na sa Bible hindi pinagbabawal. The problem is how, how to make them recognize us?

The same way siguro sa kung anong gagawin ng same-sex advocates. Makikiangkas lang tayo. Then we can provide the stats, the scientific findings and even religious findings. How society views it will follow kagaya rito sa Canada. Dito sa Canada, ang treatment ay indifference eh. Alam mo yun, parang wala lang. *shrugs*. Sa tate ang medyo mixed. Pero still frowned upon. Pag nagfederalismo, magiging kagaya ng tate ang lalabas....

Ano na bang development sa same-sex bill? Tingin ko matagal pa yan eh... May media coverage na ba?

 

Pooch

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15 hours ago, pooch said:

Who will propose the bill if ever? Or puro mainit na hangin lang ito? Yes it may be feasible pero sus di ako masyadong kumbinsido sa attack sa family code eh. Wala akong nakikitang progress doon kahit pa isulong nila ang same-sex. I am kind of pessimistic about it. Ikaw? Anong tingin mo? Say for example a bill is passed. Syempre babasahin yan para pagdebatehan, diba? Dadaan sa legal na proseso yan bago maging talagang batas. If halimbawa same-sex will go through, cousin marriages advocates eh pwedeng makisakay. Maraming makikisakay and it will ruin the marriage institution itself kasi magiging slippery slope. Bad idea. But I think it can get done kung makakalusot ba eh. hehe.

Naisulong na actually, plenary decisions nalang. Haha, i'm not actually sure how it will turn out, but if cha cha is on its way, they should not focus on things like this.
Cousin couples have the utmost right to married than them e, kaya dapat ipaglaban kung ipasa nga nila.
 

15 hours ago, pooch said:

The same way siguro sa kung anong gagawin ng same-sex advocates. Makikiangkas lang tayo. Then we can provide the stats, the scientific findings and even religious findings. How society views it will follow kagaya rito sa Canada. Dito sa Canada, ang treatment ay indifference eh. Alam mo yun, parang wala lang. *shrugs*. Sa tate ang medyo mixed. Pero still frowned upon. Pag nagfederalismo, magiging kagaya ng tate ang lalabas....

Pag nag federalismo, the chances are higher na ma entertain ang cousin marriage advocacy. Every state has different family code.
I know cousin marriage is just a social issue. If only government would allow us. Kase yun naman yun e, nasa tao na yun kung gusto nila

15 hours ago, pooch said:

Nasa Canada ako ngayon pare. I have been here since 2003, hindi pa nakakauwi sa atin. Maraming priorities eh. Lots of reasons. Pero kami na ng cousin ko kahit bago pa lang nagmigrate ang family ko dito sa Canada. We were so young back then. lol. Pero kami pa rin. Both of us are here now in Canada.

But then I really feel for the ones na nasa ganitong relationships na nasa Pinas. Alam mo yun? Naranasan ko rin kasi eh. Mahirap kaya. Then LDR. Then the social stigma. The legal barriers. Whole nine yards. So alam mo yun, I'm quite active here in this forum. hehe. :)

Wow, good for you pare, you can settle yourselves there. I'm planning to work there actually, skilled worker class nalang, para madali ang ayos ng visa, tapos convert to permanent residency visa, then i-sponsor nalang si cousin for visit then marriage na. I'll try to register it to ph consular, maybe makalusot, if ever na hindi, we have to live there permanently. But easier said than done.

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9 hours ago, kielan said:

Naisulong na actually, plenary decisions nalang. Haha, i'm not actually sure how it will turn out, but if cha cha is on its way, they should not focus on things like this.
Cousin couples have the utmost right to married than them e, kaya dapat ipaglaban kung ipasa nga nila

Haha! Tumpak! Mas maraming dapat asikasuhin! lol. :D

9 hours ago, kielan said:

Pag nag federalismo, the chances are higher na ma entertain ang cousin marriage advocacy. Every state has different family code.
I know cousin marriage is just a social issue. If only government would allow us. Kase yun naman yun e, nasa tao na yun kung gusto nila

Hmm.. Tingin mo maililipat yun sa bawat estado? May mga bagay-bagay na centralized kapag federalism eh. Halimbawa at yung Militar atsaka Edukasyon. Although may ilang bahagi ang magiging espisipiko sa respective state, definitely di-hamak na mas malaking bahagi ng Family code will encompass the entire nation. Ang sitwasyon nga lang ng US though is that nagkakaroon ng "erosion" sa unity ng states kaya nagiging hiwa-hiwalay. Pero ang Pinas, Pilipino eh Pilipino yan eh. Iba ang kultura natin eh. Kahit pa sabihin na nating malaking influence ang pagiging regionalistic natin (which is di naman kataka-taka yun dahil hiwa-hiwalay tayo sa 7100 islands), iba ang nationalism natin kahit papaano ah....And so pagdating sa family code, I think ito ang pinakahuling dapat magalaw.

9 hours ago, kielan said:

Wow, good for you pare, you can settle yourselves there. I'm planning to work there actually, skilled worker class nalang, para madali ang ayos ng visa, tapos convert to permanent residency visa, then i-sponsor nalang si cousin for visit then marriage na. I'll try to register it to ph consular, maybe makalusot, if ever na hindi, we have to live there permanently. But easier said than done

Oo... Kung makahanap ka ng skilled worker halimbawa, mas madali makakuha ng visa. PR ang next step then tsaka mo sponsor gf-cous mo. Pero sabi mo nga, easier said than done. Iba't-iba rin kasi ang sitwasyon natin eh, no? Di talaga ganun kadali... Pero keep your eyes open pare. Pag may oportunidad, sunggaban agad. :)

 

Pooch

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On 1/9/2018 at 9:12 AM, pooch said:

Oo... Kung makahanap ka ng skilled worker halimbawa, mas madali makakuha ng visa. PR ang next step then tsaka mo sponsor gf-cous mo. Pero sabi mo nga, easier said than done. Iba't-iba rin kasi ang sitwasyon natin eh, no? Di talaga ganun kadali... Pero keep your eyes open pare. Pag may oportunidad, sunggaban agad. :)

Sorry pooch, di ako nakapag online recently

I'm with my gf cous ngayon, after 2 weeks uuwi na ulit siya sa kanila. Alam na ng mga magulang namin, nakuha na rin namin ang blessings nila haha. Pangako lang daw namin na aayusin namin, makapag karoon ng legal na kasulatan etc. Kaya pagkatapos ng bakasyon namin ngayon, kayod nanaman sa buhay, hanap nanaman ng paraan hahaha (dito kase sa pinas, money answers anything parin e). Sarap sana pag legal dito sa pinas e. Kumbaga ang proproblemahin mo nalang kung paano mag confess sa lahat.



But i think, if ever na mauna ang same sex marriage sa federalism, madali nalang galawin ng estado ang family code, mas mataas na ang participation ng citizens. Syempre military na ang prioritize, kumbaga, whatever wlll be, will be na ang state in terms of other laws, katulad ng sa marriages. When will be that time kaya?

 

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On ‎1‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 10:46 PM, kielan said:

Sorry pooch, di ako nakapag online recently

I'm with my gf cous ngayon, after 2 weeks uuwi na ulit siya sa kanila. Alam na ng mga magulang namin, nakuha na rin namin ang blessings nila haha. Pangako lang daw namin na aayusin namin, makapag karoon ng legal na kasulatan etc. Kaya pagkatapos ng bakasyon namin ngayon, kayod nanaman sa buhay, hanap nanaman ng paraan hahaha (dito kase sa pinas, money answers anything parin e). Sarap sana pag legal dito sa pinas e. Kumbaga ang proproblemahin mo nalang kung paano mag confess sa lahat.
 

I admire your courage brad... Wow.

I am longing for that day din sa aming dalawa. Mabigyan lang kami ng blessing ng mga magulang naming, that will be the happiest day of our lives na. hay.. Nag-aantay pa rin kasi kami ng tamang panahon eh. And at the same time, marami ring priorities. So tiyaga-tiyaga lang.. Magkasama naman kami eh. :)

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But i think, if ever na mauna ang same sex marriage sa federalism, madali nalang galawin ng estado ang family code, mas mataas na ang participation ng citizens. Syempre military na ang prioritize, kumbaga, whatever wlll be, will be na ang state in terms of other laws, katulad ng sa marriages. When will be that time kaya?

Oh yes. Definitely. Mas madali na nga talaga galawin ang family code once that happens. And of course, we will seize that opportunity! Sunod-sunod yan panigurado. And guess what? CBCP might even support us (lolz) at di lang basta civil union (although it is good in itself na)! Demographically, that's going to be huge.

Pero regardless, kung civil union man, kelangan pa rin ba ng may magaact na lobbyist?

Gano ba ka-pricey?

 

Pooch

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On 1/15/2018 at 7:16 AM, pooch said:

I admire your courage brad... Wow.

I am longing for that day din sa aming dalawa. Mabigyan lang kami ng blessing ng mga magulang naming, that will be the happiest day of our lives na. hay.. Nag-aantay pa rin kasi kami ng tamang panahon eh. And at the same time, marami ring priorities. So tiyaga-tiyaga lang.. Magkasama naman kami eh. :)

It's easier for you guys to reveal your relationship nga e, tho it takes courage, pero pag once na nasimulan na, tuloy tuloy na yan, para bang nag susurf ka, madaming wave na susuungin pero pag nalagpasan nyo na yun, swabe na ang pag lutas sa problema hehehe

 

On 1/15/2018 at 7:16 AM, pooch said:

Oh yes. Definitely. Mas madali na nga talaga galawin ang family code once that happens. And of course, we will seize that opportunity! Sunod-sunod yan panigurado. And guess what? CBCP might even support us (lolz) at di lang basta civil union (although it is good in itself na)! Demographically, that's going to be huge.

Pero regardless, kung civil union man, kelangan pa rin ba ng may magaact na lobbyist?

Gano ba ka-pricey?


Kung sa lobbying route ang plan natin, it's better to wait for chacha, para medyo afford pa
Ii depends kase kung sinung representative ang lalapitan natin, though protesting will be more than enough na sana, but i doubt na makakahingi tayo ng tulong sa mga kapareho natin ng sitwasyon, kase yung iba nakasal na (illegal means) at yung iba natatakot. pricey talaga siya, mga aabot din ng 2 million ang minimum, tapos pag hingi pa ng support sa house of congress.

Kaya eto na ang na iimagine ko minsan...
What if we protest then at the same time lobbying a politician behind the scenes. Malaki ang impact neto pag federalism na, pwede na kayo umuwi dito tapos magpakasal na hehehe. Tapos plan tayo ng get together CCC (cousin couples community). Be positive lang tayo, anyo na yun ng faith e. hehehe


Sensya na pooch ha, medyo hindi ako nakakapag online lately hehe
 

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6 hours ago, kielan said:

It's easier for you guys to reveal your relationship nga e, tho it takes courage, pero pag once na nasimulan na, tuloy tuloy na yan, para bang nag susurf ka, madaming wave na susuungin pero pag nalagpasan nyo na yun, swabe na ang pag lutas sa problema hehehe

 


Kung sa lobbying route ang plan natin, it's better to wait for chacha, para medyo afford pa
Ii depends kase kung sinung representative ang lalapitan natin, though protesting will be more than enough na sana, but i doubt na makakahingi tayo ng tulong sa mga kapareho natin ng sitwasyon, kase yung iba nakasal na (illegal means) at yung iba natatakot. pricey talaga siya, mga aabot din ng 2 million ang minimum, tapos pag hingi pa ng support sa house of congress.

Kaya eto na ang na iimagine ko minsan...
What if we protest then at the same time lobbying a politician behind the scenes. Malaki ang impact neto pag federalism na, pwede na kayo umuwi dito tapos magpakasal na hehehe. Tapos plan tayo ng get together CCC (cousin couples community). Be positive lang tayo, anyo na yun ng faith e. hehehe


Sensya na pooch ha, medyo hindi ako nakakapag online lately hehe
 

Totoo yan. Dito nga sa CC eh marami na rin akong nakausap na katulad natin; pero ako na lang ang natira ditto sa forum. hehe. lol

Tsaka majority ng mga cousin couples fail rin naman kasi. Alam mo yun? And there are lots of reasons.. Hindi lang family o kaya naman social stigma. Ilan rin sa mga factors eh kasi bata pa nung nagkadevelopan. And so yung puppy love eh small probability lang ang nagiging successful. The rest, gaya nga ng sabi mo eh, ayaw na ring maging aktibo and manahimik na lang kasi may sari-sariling gusot pa ring hindi napaplantsa or takot. Halimbawa, yung active na member dito na si esmeralda79, nakakuha ng judge na nagkasal sa kanila...Pero once na malaman ito publicly or may nagsumbong or whatever or anybody against it, kapamilya man or what, it will still be voidable ayon sa pagkakaalam ko kahit pa granted na ng judge eh. :(

Hirap talaga...

Pooch

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On 1/17/2018 at 11:01 AM, pooch said:

Totoo yan. Dito nga sa CC eh marami na rin akong nakausap na katulad natin; pero ako na lang ang natira ditto sa forum. hehe. lol

Tsaka majority ng mga cousin couples fail rin naman kasi. Alam mo yun? And there are lots of reasons.. Hindi lang family o kaya naman social stigma. Ilan rin sa mga factors eh kasi bata pa nung nagkadevelopan. And so yung puppy love eh small probability lang ang nagiging successful. The rest, gaya nga ng sabi mo eh, ayaw na ring maging aktibo and manahimik na lang kasi may sari-sariling gusot pa ring hindi napaplantsa or takot. Halimbawa, yung active na member dito na si esmeralda79, nakakuha ng judge na nagkasal sa kanila...Pero once na malaman ito publicly or may nagsumbong or whatever or anybody against it, kapamilya man or what, it will still be voidable ayon sa pagkakaalam ko kahit pa granted na ng judge eh. :(

Hirap talaga...

Pooch

This is my opinion pooch. actually they're lucky. Kahit void kase ang marriage, may process pa para mapawalang bisa, w/c is annulment of marriage, dito yung pag investigate kung voidable talaga. Sa annulment, only the parents and the couples have the right to petition. Kaya yung case nila, mas maganda kung tanggap talaga ng parents nila, assuming na 25 years old and above na sila, then there's no more problem. Sa una lang ang tsismis, wag matakot ang mga katulad natin, eventually matatanggap din nila yan. I dont know nga e if i have to use the same method, but i have so many priorities right now, kinasal nga kayo, wala ka pa namang napupundar na bahay para sa inyong dalawa. Yung mga ganon.

Ang tinatanong dapat ng couples sa isa't isa, kung love ba talaga nila ang isa't isa or lust lang ba? Kaya ba nila humarap sa pagsubok. Kase sa sitwasyon natin, hindi naman ang pagibig nyo sa isa't isa ang magiging basehan if you love each other e. It's how you fight for it. or how big are you going to sacrifice for it. (sa akin, i resigned my job just to go at there province explained everything and fight for her, at 3-4 times akong pabalik balik para maayos at clear na talaga sa mga magulang niya, ganon din sa magulang ko ofc) last time i went there, her father (my uncle) is actually mad at me, saying na why dont you just give up? Eh wala, we're persistent talaga, at ayon binigay nila ang basbas nila. Kaya sa mga katulad natin, tibay lang ng loob, tapang lang kahit mahirap. 


Back to the topic, civil union bill ay pinag uusapan na dito sa pinas, although i dont know kung pwede ang civil partnerships between first cousin, pero ine eensure ng bill na lahat ng live ins ay makaka benefit dito. At si senator nancy binay pala ay nag file ng bill para amendyahan ang family code, kaso pending pa. Focus kase ang senado para sa Bangsamoro basic law tapos Federalism na.

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Hello I’m new here too..found this very interesting site..I am a big mess..fall in love with sa pinsan (Ist)  Wala  na kami... over 2 years na..pero hirap makalimutan.  I will tell my story pag ready na ako. I want to join and maybe I can help too.  Dami ko pinagdaanan.  I’m 43yrs old

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On 1/24/2018 at 4:22 AM, kielan said:

This is my opinion pooch. actually they're lucky. Kahit void kase ang marriage, may process pa para mapawalang bisa, w/c is annulment of marriage, dito yung pag investigate kung voidable talaga. Sa annulment, only the parents and the couples have the right to petition. Kaya yung case nila, mas maganda kung tanggap talaga ng parents nila, assuming na 25 years old and above na sila, then there's no more problem. Sa una lang ang tsismis, wag matakot ang mga katulad natin, eventually matatanggap din nila yan. I dont know nga e if i have to use the same method, but i have so many priorities right now, kinasal nga kayo, wala ka pa namang napupundar na bahay para sa inyong dalawa. Yung mga ganon.

Ang tinatanong dapat ng couples sa isa't isa, kung love ba talaga nila ang isa't isa or lust lang ba? Kaya ba nila humarap sa pagsubok. Kase sa sitwasyon natin, hindi naman ang pagibig nyo sa isa't isa ang magiging basehan if you love each other e. It's how you fight for it. or how big are you going to sacrifice for it. (sa akin, i resigned my job just to go at there province explained everything and fight for her, at 3-4 times akong pabalik balik para maayos at clear na talaga sa mga magulang niya, ganon din sa magulang ko ofc) last time i went there, her father (my uncle) is actually mad at me, saying na why dont you just give up? Eh wala, we're persistent talaga, at ayon binigay nila ang basbas nila. Kaya sa mga katulad natin, tibay lang ng loob, tapang lang kahit mahirap. 


Back to the topic, civil union bill ay pinag uusapan na dito sa pinas, although i dont know kung pwede ang civil partnerships between first cousin, pero ine eensure ng bill na lahat ng live ins ay makaka benefit dito. At si senator nancy binay pala ay nag file ng bill para amendyahan ang family code, kaso pending pa. Focus kase ang senado para sa Bangsamoro basic law tapos Federalism na.

Hi Pooch..

dami ko natutunan At naka relate ako..kaya lang sa kaso ko..sinukuan na niya ako..ako naman learning to live mylife..Wala akong pinagsisihan dahil sa ilang buwan ng relationship namin naging masaya naman ako... masyadong komplikado situation namin..pareho kasi may sarili  na kaming may pamilya...inuna na lang namin ang kapakanan ng mga anak namin..sacrifice na lang namin ang nararamdaman namin... I think that is love for you learn to give up for the good of others.  Maybe sa next lifetime namin pag di na kami blood related..for now inspiration ko na lang siya sa buhay ko..pag naalala ko siya napapangiti na lang ako.... siya ang great love ko.... gusto ko maging masaya siya At successful siya sa lahat ng ginagawa niya.   Alam ko yung Love di mawawala... he will always have a special place in my heart...  Wala na kaming dapat ipag laban....Una mag pinsan buo kami...Pangalawa may sarili ng pamilya pa... kaya siya na mismo bumitiw..sinubukan ko ipaglaban..pero siya na ang tumalikod mag decide na gawin na namin ang tama... For now I’m healing my heart and stay focus for myself. 

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Kielan,

Can you check House Bill 4982? Act ito regarding LGBT eh na isusulong at Senate Bill 935 sa pagprevent naman ng discrimination with matching penalties.. ? i am not sure if this is the latest though..

Pooch

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On 09/02/2018 at 9:41 PM, pooch said:

Kielan,

Can you check House Bill 4982? Act ito regarding LGBT eh na isusulong at Senate Bill 935 sa pagprevent naman ng discrimination with matching penalties.. ? i am not sure if this is the latest though..

Pooch

 

Hi pooch

Regarding these bills, these are already approved but not really exercised that much in reality. Well, the real intention of Lgbts will be that legal union, i hope we can use that endeavor when that time comes.

Nanahimik na nga ang Pilipinas sa usapang ito e. I'm just waiting what will happen if bangsamoro basic law for mindanao will be implemented, i'm pretty much sure muslim code will dominate the lil constitution and i hope we might find some useful loopholes there. 

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Ang ganda Ng idea nato... Sana may mag act para maisulong po. 

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